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		<title>By: Dave H</title>
		<link>http://www.velorution.biz/2007/03/ride-like-a-man/comment-page-1/#comment-905</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 03:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrea

Did a long post on Moving target it may still be on clip board  (Ctrl+E P...) bugger! Just go there &amp; read it I was on scene just after a fatality in 2000 and the going up the inside image could have been used but this cyclist was in the nearside lane on London Wall and the truck driver took a wide lazy turn from the right hand side of the carriageway into the narrow lane on the left.  Most of my nearside nasties with buses (fortunatly mostly buses) happen when I&#039;m pulled in on for a bus stop or cut over on a corner, and the slab side/windows are easier to punch and wake up the driver/uspet the passengers, and as a last resort you can lean the bars into the flat side and score a big mark down the side - unfortunately this is not possible for most trucks.  I think that the figure for buses hitting cyclists is about the same as HGV&#039;s but the &#039;friendlier&#039; exterior and possibly slower speeds mean that the severity of injuries is mush less.

Fully endorse thinking about a Pentonville Road Westbound audit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea</p>
<p>Did a long post on Moving target it may still be on clip board  (Ctrl+E P&#8230;) bugger! Just go there &amp; read it I was on scene just after a fatality in 2000 and the going up the inside image could have been used but this cyclist was in the nearside lane on London Wall and the truck driver took a wide lazy turn from the right hand side of the carriageway into the narrow lane on the left.  Most of my nearside nasties with buses (fortunatly mostly buses) happen when I&#8217;m pulled in on for a bus stop or cut over on a corner, and the slab side/windows are easier to punch and wake up the driver/uspet the passengers, and as a last resort you can lean the bars into the flat side and score a big mark down the side &#8211; unfortunately this is not possible for most trucks.  I think that the figure for buses hitting cyclists is about the same as HGV&#8217;s but the &#8216;friendlier&#8217; exterior and possibly slower speeds mean that the severity of injuries is mush less.</p>
<p>Fully endorse thinking about a Pentonville Road Westbound audit.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.velorution.biz/2007/03/ride-like-a-man/comment-page-1/#comment-904</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An update from Brenda:


&lt;blockquote&gt;I have now recieved a response to my letter of complaint about this to the one-stop-complaints service at Westminster Council. Impressed by the speed of the response. They have replied saying they took up the issue with a senior Onyx manager, who investigated the matter and interviewed the driver and his supervisor. The driver admitted he was using his mobile phone, and apologised. The letter goes on to say that Onyx of course strongly condemn such behaviour and disciplinary action has been taken against the driver, who will also be subject to close monitoring over the next few weeks to ensure he is driving safely.

It also says the supervisor would like to apologise for his remarks and has admitted they were inappropriate. (Hmmm). He has been warned about his conduct and the proper way to deal with complaints from the public. (ahem - it was not just a question of style though - more of his belief that the driver had done nothing wrong!)&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An update from Brenda:</p>
<blockquote><p>I have now recieved a response to my letter of complaint about this to the one-stop-complaints service at Westminster Council. Impressed by the speed of the response. They have replied saying they took up the issue with a senior Onyx manager, who investigated the matter and interviewed the driver and his supervisor. The driver admitted he was using his mobile phone, and apologised. The letter goes on to say that Onyx of course strongly condemn such behaviour and disciplinary action has been taken against the driver, who will also be subject to close monitoring over the next few weeks to ensure he is driving safely.</p>
<p>It also says the supervisor would like to apologise for his remarks and has admitted they were inappropriate. (Hmmm). He has been warned about his conduct and the proper way to deal with complaints from the public. (ahem &#8211; it was not just a question of style though &#8211; more of his belief that the driver had done nothing wrong!)</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.velorution.biz/2007/03/ride-like-a-man/comment-page-1/#comment-903</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree entirely with the comments regarding a lorry&#039;s blind spot. We all recognise the fact that we have to have an element of self defence to our riding. That includes not even thinking about being down the side of long or extremely tall vehicles - especially at junctions. Experienced and regular riders know this, but I&#039;ve seen a number of obviously inexperienced riders doing just that. I&#039;m not certain that that is what these poor women doing however; it sounds more like driver error - and the mobile phone, as in Brenda&#039;s case, is certainly a factor in this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree entirely with the comments regarding a lorry&#8217;s blind spot. We all recognise the fact that we have to have an element of self defence to our riding. That includes not even thinking about being down the side of long or extremely tall vehicles &#8211; especially at junctions. Experienced and regular riders know this, but I&#8217;ve seen a number of obviously inexperienced riders doing just that. I&#8217;m not certain that that is what these poor women doing however; it sounds more like driver error &#8211; and the mobile phone, as in Brenda&#8217;s case, is certainly a factor in this.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi-Vis and Helmets are not compulsory by law.

Adhering to speed limits and not using mobile phones whilst driving ARE.
and all for good reason..

Pedestrians are not required to wear helmets of hi-vis, and we all understand these accidents are caused by the Drivers not looking. And that&#039;s the point; they are not looking. Whether you arew wearing hi-vis, black skin suit, a clown&#039;s outfit or butt-naked. THEY ARE NOT USING THIER EYES TO LOOK AT YOU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi-Vis and Helmets are not compulsory by law.</p>
<p>Adhering to speed limits and not using mobile phones whilst driving ARE.<br />
and all for good reason..</p>
<p>Pedestrians are not required to wear helmets of hi-vis, and we all understand these accidents are caused by the Drivers not looking. And that&#8217;s the point; they are not looking. Whether you arew wearing hi-vis, black skin suit, a clown&#8217;s outfit or butt-naked. THEY ARE NOT USING THIER EYES TO LOOK AT YOU</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.velorution.biz/2007/03/ride-like-a-man/comment-page-1/#comment-901</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This statistic is not accurate! See here:
http://www.movingtargetzine.com/article/chinese-whispers-female-cyclists-killed-by-hgvlgvs-in-london-1999-2004</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This statistic is not accurate! See here:<br />
<a href="http://www.movingtargetzine.com/article/chinese-whispers-female-cyclists-killed-by-hgvlgvs-in-london-1999-2004" rel="nofollow">http://www.movingtargetzine.com/article/chinese-whispers-female-cyclists-killed-by-hgvlgvs-in-london-1999-2004</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Chris on this one. Much as drivers of all vehicles seem to need to learn that the overtaking rules learnt when taking your driving test apply to overtaking bikes too (oh, the number of bendy-bus drivers I&#039;d like to throttle) we do need to know how many of the 85% were entering the driver&#039;s blind spot by undertaking HGVs on the approach to traffic lights (for instance).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Chris on this one. Much as drivers of all vehicles seem to need to learn that the overtaking rules learnt when taking your driving test apply to overtaking bikes too (oh, the number of bendy-bus drivers I&#8217;d like to throttle) we do need to know how many of the 85% were entering the driver&#8217;s blind spot by undertaking HGVs on the approach to traffic lights (for instance).</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree riders should be more assertive but only up to a point; you may be asserting your rights quite correctly but if a truck asserts its rights incorrectly you&#039;ll lose out. One thing worries me is riders entering a lorry&#039;s blind spot and then it starts to turn. I&#039;d like to know whether this is a factor in some accidents. Go Brenda, Westminster council need to sort those drivers and managers out. It has got nothing to do with wearing high vises or helmets more to do with their mobile phones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree riders should be more assertive but only up to a point; you may be asserting your rights quite correctly but if a truck asserts its rights incorrectly you&#8217;ll lose out. One thing worries me is riders entering a lorry&#8217;s blind spot and then it starts to turn. I&#8217;d like to know whether this is a factor in some accidents. Go Brenda, Westminster council need to sort those drivers and managers out. It has got nothing to do with wearing high vises or helmets more to do with their mobile phones.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now there is clear evidence that this is a dangerous stretch of road, the least the highways authority should do, without delay, is to erect some &#039;share the road&#039; signage to raise drivers&#039; awareness and (maybe) encourage them to be more bike-concious.
Could this fatality trigger a safety audit of the area, or are these always retrospecive after &#039;improvements&#039; have been built?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now there is clear evidence that this is a dangerous stretch of road, the least the highways authority should do, without delay, is to erect some &#8217;share the road&#8217; signage to raise drivers&#8217; awareness and (maybe) encourage them to be more bike-concious.<br />
Could this fatality trigger a safety audit of the area, or are these always retrospecive after &#8216;improvements&#8217; have been built?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you Brenda. Unfortunately, it&#039;s not just HGV drivers at fault - or males for that matter. I chased down a very aggressive and foul-mouthed woman in her Land Rover Discovery when she almost took me off my bike.

We were on a two-lane carriageway, with the outer lane free, and she still gave me about six inches of room - she was also travelling at approximately ten to twenty miles per hour over the speed limit. Quite happy in her verbal and gestured abuse, she accelerated away from me feeling safe in her metal cocoon. Unfortunately for her, she didn&#039;t bank on the fact that I can hit 30mph on that stretch when out of the saddle. She got a hell of a shock when I pulled up next to her outside her house. After the usual blame the cyclist for even daring to enter the territory of the internal combustion engine, I received a full and sincere apology (may have something to do with the fact that when her husband came out to offer me some threatening muscle, I explained the situation calmly but assertively; he looked at her in disgust, shrugged his shoulders and returned indoors!).

I don&#039;t like bullies and I don&#039;t let myself be bullied. But I worried afterwards that I&#039;d perhaps bullied this woman - then I thought about her appalling driving, which was entirely deliberate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you Brenda. Unfortunately, it&#8217;s not just HGV drivers at fault &#8211; or males for that matter. I chased down a very aggressive and foul-mouthed woman in her Land Rover Discovery when she almost took me off my bike.</p>
<p>We were on a two-lane carriageway, with the outer lane free, and she still gave me about six inches of room &#8211; she was also travelling at approximately ten to twenty miles per hour over the speed limit. Quite happy in her verbal and gestured abuse, she accelerated away from me feeling safe in her metal cocoon. Unfortunately for her, she didn&#8217;t bank on the fact that I can hit 30mph on that stretch when out of the saddle. She got a hell of a shock when I pulled up next to her outside her house. After the usual blame the cyclist for even daring to enter the territory of the internal combustion engine, I received a full and sincere apology (may have something to do with the fact that when her husband came out to offer me some threatening muscle, I explained the situation calmly but assertively; he looked at her in disgust, shrugged his shoulders and returned indoors!).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like bullies and I don&#8217;t let myself be bullied. But I worried afterwards that I&#8217;d perhaps bullied this woman &#8211; then I thought about her appalling driving, which was entirely deliberate.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This message from Brenda is emblematic of the culture in many companies and organisations that make heavy use of lorries:


&lt;blockquote&gt;On Harrow Road this morning on the way to work, a refuse lorry hurtled past me at great speed, rocking to and fro, though giving me adequate room. As I caught up with it at the lights 100 yards up, I turned to look at the driver to remonstrate with him at his speeding, and saw he was on a mobile phone and I had trouble getting his attention. When I finally did, he kept saying - that is a lie, I was not speeding and I only used my phone when stationary at the lights. I was cycling off, but the driver kept hooting behind me, and I decided to turn off the road and let him go by, as he sounded really aggressive. As it was, I had turned into a City of Westminster depot where the lorry was also going. The driver and his two mates who had been in the cab with him had no choice but to let me in to the depot where I met his boss (all City of Westminster employees). The driver then told his boss that I was wobbling up the hill, and that I wasn&#039;t wearing a helmet or a hi-vis vest, and was obviously at fault in this altercation. I told the very young boss what had happened, and said that his drivers needed better training - being aware of cyclists&#039; positioning on the road, and not to speed or use mobile phones. The boss was very aggressive - asked if I had hgv training, and what right I had to lecture his driver who had years of training. I said that I jolly well had a right to criticise his driving as I was the one affected by it! There was no apology forthcoming, or even an acknowledgement that the driving had been less than perfect. I took the name of the boss and left.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This message from Brenda is emblematic of the culture in many companies and organisations that make heavy use of lorries:</p>
<blockquote><p>On Harrow Road this morning on the way to work, a refuse lorry hurtled past me at great speed, rocking to and fro, though giving me adequate room. As I caught up with it at the lights 100 yards up, I turned to look at the driver to remonstrate with him at his speeding, and saw he was on a mobile phone and I had trouble getting his attention. When I finally did, he kept saying &#8211; that is a lie, I was not speeding and I only used my phone when stationary at the lights. I was cycling off, but the driver kept hooting behind me, and I decided to turn off the road and let him go by, as he sounded really aggressive. As it was, I had turned into a City of Westminster depot where the lorry was also going. The driver and his two mates who had been in the cab with him had no choice but to let me in to the depot where I met his boss (all City of Westminster employees). The driver then told his boss that I was wobbling up the hill, and that I wasn&#8217;t wearing a helmet or a hi-vis vest, and was obviously at fault in this altercation. I told the very young boss what had happened, and said that his drivers needed better training &#8211; being aware of cyclists&#8217; positioning on the road, and not to speed or use mobile phones. The boss was very aggressive &#8211; asked if I had hgv training, and what right I had to lecture his driver who had years of training. I said that I jolly well had a right to criticise his driving as I was the one affected by it! There was no apology forthcoming, or even an acknowledgement that the driving had been less than perfect. I took the name of the boss and left.</p></blockquote>
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